Opinions on stalling matches in OLDZ

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So, today Azarael and me had a little discussion about something that happened in an OLDZ match and I would like to hear what everyone else thinks about it.

Here is what happened:
The Server was quite full, Id say about 20 people and the majority voted for an OLDZ map (CatRaceTrack). Now those who played the map before know that it is very camp-based like most of the OLDZ maps are and people tend to rage(quit) during these matches. But! Now one player (I keep the name to myself) obviously didnt want to play OLDZ (or at least not this map in particular), went
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took the Ion Tank (the key Vehicle for defenders) and just blocked it so the attackers could just go ahead and do the objectives. His/Her argument was kind of "I dont want to play this shit for 20 and then another 20 minutes." If people dont want to play a map, then they should either leave or spectate but dont stall/sabotage the whole match in my opinion because the majority wants to play it and everyone else SHOULD respect what the majority votes and get along with it. Everything else is childish and disrespectful behavior and shouldnt be allowed in my opinion.

Aza didnt want to do anything because "there are no rules in OLDZ". I fully understand that the Gametype OLDZ has no rules as in glitching, teamkilling, etc. But this is not Gametype related in my opinion. Its a matter of respecting everyone elses votes and eventually the outcome of the voting system.

As a comparison I then mentioned that if there are 20 people in real life who want to play a teamsport. 9 people vote for soccer/football, lets say 6 vote for basketball and 5 for hockey. If everyone of them has 1 vote its obvious that they end up with football. Now one of those who wants to play basketball or hockey goes

also, takes the soccer ball and just runs around like a moron so the other people cant play. Thats the same thing and this is just stupid and shouldnt be allowed.

Aza then said that the difference is that OLDZ has no rules other than football. I on the other hand said that it doesnt really matter if they play football with or without rules, the result is the same. He said he would have taken action against him/her if it were AS or RACE because - again - in OLDZ there are no rules. But yea, I say if the majority votes for a map then they deserve the right to play this map and the minority has to get along with it or leave. One player shouldnt be allowed to just take the key vehicle, stall the game and just fuck up the fun for everyone who wants to play the map (RACE, AS, OLDZ - doesnt matter). He/She can still vote another map instead if the doesnt like the current one.

Anyways, after a couple of minutes of discussion I thought ok well, its teamspecs server, Aza is an admin, admins make the rules not me, so I have to live with it. I disagree but I have to live with that decision.

So, you know my opinion and Azas opinion but I want to know what everyone else thinks. Should stalling a match in OLDZ be allowed or not?

Since Ill get more feedback if I make a poll because many ppl wont reply, Ill just do it I think. So yea... vote, reply, tell me your opinion.

Inb4 "I bet youre just mad because you voted CatRaceTrack"... No I didnt vote it, I joined the Server 1-2 minutes after the match started.
Inb4 "Football actually requires 22 players huehuehuehuehue"

[iZumo]

CatRaceTrack is an extremely shit map, even on OLDZ standards, and shouldn't be in the maplist. Currently, we do not enforce any gameplay based rules in OLDZ (except balancer abuse), so Fallen Deus likely goes away with it.

Though we have such case for the first time in here, I'd say it's good for the server that CatRaceTrack was that short , but maybe if there is excessive team hamper (repeated tk, complete hamper of the key vehicle etc.), we could ban for that like for an annoyance.

[Azarael]

I would also note that with the ion tank in play, the map becomes almost impossible, so I don't even have sympathy for the team hampering argument. If anything, neutralising the tank balances the map.

[iZumo]

Well in this particular case I'd give +1 for Fallen and remove the map from the maplist for good. But there are also maps like Blackhawk etc.

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I know that CatRaceTrack is not one of the best maps and it really is almost impossible if the IonTank is in play, Im just taking a point of view here. The map was played because the majority voted it and people should respect that, leave or vote something else.

[iRobot]

Anything goes in OLDZ, even being Douchy McDoucherson. Deal with it.

[Socio]

OLDZ has no rules regarding gameplay, gamestyle and player ethics (only teambalancer abuse and chat rules exsist during OLDZ weekend). So I am along with Aza on the "do nothing".
The whole point of OLDZ is to play without rules on old shitmaps with glitches, exploits and piss poor balancing. Without those established rules that our regular AS/RACE gametypes have, he had the right to do that. OLDZ is everything goes in gameplay style, one can teamkill, glitch, stall (afk/camp/fuckaroundpointlessly), spawnkill, sabotage during one game and we wont lift a finger to ban people for any of these on OLDZ maps during OLDZ weekend, opposite to how ban happy we are on normal days, when we spend whole days stalking people who broke the rules once some months ago~

Well in this particular case I'd give +1 for Fallen and remove the map from the maplist for good. But there are also maps like Blackhawk etc.

This hate on Blackhawk. Some people like that shit so much, that they keep telling me to put it in normal AS list during games. As for CatRaisTrack the only person who might tell me that would be Nardaq

[iZumo]

Missed my point. I don't dislike Blackhawk, we can pu it to AS maplist since we have there legowars tier maps


I meant that it the way that should we leave it if sbdy hampers the tank in blackhawk in style "no tank for you attackers, cry tears about it", leaving the map unfinishable for attackers.

[iRobot]

Going afk with powercore on many oldz maps

[Socio]

Missed my point. I don't dislike Blackhawk, we can pu it to AS maplist since we have there legowars tier maps


I meant that it the way that should we leave it if sbdy hampers the tank in blackhawk in style "no tank for you attackers, cry tears about it", leaving the map unfinishable for attackers.

Should have said "tank farmers", oh, there were a few of those on Ionification yesterday. Nardaq raged, Orange raged, fun times. Mostly people who do that to key vehicles (necessary for objectives) are randomers first time playing the map, the only recurring name was TheRearGunner, which I saw farm tank kills on more then one occassion (on ScrapMetal I kept slapping him out of the tank ).