Poll 6 | Do you believe Calum is abusing his position?

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Re: Poll 6 | Do you believe Calum is abusing his position?

Post by KimiRäikkönen » Sat 14 Aug , 2010 9:54 pm

Poll 7: Do you believe Kimi would be a good admin?

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Re: Poll 6 | Do you believe Calum is abusing his position?

Post by calum » Sat 14 Aug , 2010 11:46 pm

so heres my statement about all that lame buzz going on

all that rage about removing me as admin is really annoying and those accusations are pathetic

as admin what do you do, you change stuff obviously, and now you want to know what i did with my admin

well first thing to say its pretty lame when you totally restrict my rights, how can i even do anything when i got like no rights at all, i cant either upload maps, nor do i have rights to change shit in webadmin now..

well when someone needs to be kicked im there to do it, when someone needs to be banned yes of course im there too, and im on the server a lot
i didnt ban / kick / mute as many people as aza yes, but when you compare me to bono, he didnt punish a lot more people than me, we are pretty even in terms of numbers, so the simple numbers of kicks dont mean shit when someone isnt a trigger happy banner like aza ._.

and as opposed to most other people i care about the server and try to make it a better place, i was one of the main supporters of utcomp and currently tellign everyone to turn off netcode, mostly via admin say as you probably noticed

and about that "stealth changes" that accusation is just stupid, im admin im supposed to change stuff, and when i had rights in webadmin to change stuff, and when i did change stuff - none of my changes were ever bad, NOT A SINGLE ONE
i only did changes that were supposed to make the server better, i was removing shit maps from the map list, changing game rules according to the standards (resp time etc) but there was always raging, whining, complaining, and mostly the #1 complainers wasnt the players, but the admins themselves who were supposed to support me in doing stuff like that
but no, there was always at least 1 who raged about my changes even though it didnt make any sense at all cause i only improved the server with what i did, and someone always was too blind to realize that ._.


so thats it from me, im kinda annoyed about the whole "yea lets remove calums admin even though he tried to improve the server"-thing
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Re: Poll 6 | Do you believe Calum is abusing his position?

Post by Azarael » Sun 15 Aug , 2010 12:15 am

The reason you don't have webadmin rights is because you made stealth changes.

I don't think I'm a trigger happy banner. But I have never seen you kick anyone except in your own defense, and you've called me to do the job you should have been doing on at least one occasion.

"Official guy telling people to turn off UTComp Netcode ._." Let's be honest, you want UTComp for you. I've yet to see you undertake an action on the server that didn't directly benefit yourself.

The problems with your changes:

You didn't consult anyone else
You remade the changes after they were reversed
You removed popular maps

We KNOW that 70% of maps on LDG are shit. But unless you want to kill the server, you will leave them there. It's always felt as if the purpose of your admin rights was to try to convert LDG to a standard server, and I will not allow that on my watch (you know perfectly well why not).

To be honest, I've yet to be convinced of the purpose of having any more than two admins.

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Re: Poll 6 | Do you believe Calum is abusing his position?

Post by KimiRäikkönen » Sun 15 Aug , 2010 12:29 am

/ignore me np

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Re: Poll 6 | Do you believe Calum is abusing his position?

Post by calum » Sun 15 Aug , 2010 12:37 am

yes even aza^stalker cant always see and notice every kick etc i do


You didn't consult anyone else <-- why should i consult anyone, i know fully well what im doing and i know its for the better, not the worse
You remade the changes after they were reversed <-- they have been reversed for irrational reasons that dont make any sense
You removed popular maps <-- there are enoguh good maps that are underplayed, so theres no reason to keep shitmaps that are popular cause noobs could try to vote for some better maps when the shit maps are gone


so the point still stands, i never made any change that was bad, and yet there was always someone raging, thats whats annoying me
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Re: Poll 6 | Do you believe Calum is abusing his position?

Post by Azarael » Sun 15 Aug , 2010 12:46 am

calum wrote:yes even aza^stalker cant always see and notice every kick etc i do


You didn't consult anyone else <-- why should i consult anyone, i know fully well what im doing and i know its for the better, not the worse

Subjective. In this case you were a recent appointment, and still going over the heads of the other admins. I consult bono about major changes, why don't you?

You remade the changes after they were reversed <-- they have been reversed for irrational reasons that dont make any sense

Subjective again. I could state that the changes were made for irrational reasons that don't make any sense (or in this case, complete lack of foresight.)

You removed popular maps <-- there are enoguh good maps that are underplayed, so theres no reason to keep shitmaps that are popular cause noobs could try to vote for some better maps when the shit maps are gone

If noobs have all their maps removed, they will quit or rage. They will not vote good maps. Look at the cycle so far - as maps have had F versions come out, the noobs have simply retreated to the nearest unmodified map. HellbenderWorld and HellbenderRace Hardcore are the current fag retreats.


so the point still stands, i never made any change that was bad, and yet there was always someone raging, thats whats annoying me

Changes that were bad from the point of view of a player or an admin?

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Re: Poll 6 | Do you believe Calum is abusing his position?

Post by bOnO » Sun 15 Aug , 2010 1:07 am

Time has come, and I think it's enough. If you can't understand that you were chosen to MODERATE, which means enforce the rules on the server and NOTHING ELSE, there is no place for you as admin. You've showed how selfish you've been well enough. It's over.
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Re: Poll 6 | Do you believe Calum is abusing his position?

Post by shadownoon » Sun 15 Aug , 2010 2:32 am

Calum is simply the guy who told the kids that there's no Santa, it's easy to demote by saying what he did was wrong and selfish, because yes, it was selfish but he is right. Yes, there are horrendously bad maps out there. Yes, the changes were rash but they actually made sense in terms of making the server better.

The people pulling the strings are the people we are calling 'Noobs' it seems that we are being ruled by the people we call brainless. In my opinion, the only democracy is in peoples' voting rights. We should be free to add or remove any maps unless they really are extremely popular. Taking on board peoples' opinions is mandatory but it doesn't mean that you can call them 'clients' and have them dictate everything you do.

Deathblade owns the server and decided to create it most likely for FUN, for people to go on the server and just enjoy playing the game -whether it be Race or Standard.

What he didn't do is make admins to cater for peoples' every need, Admins are there to find ways of making the server fun for everybody and reinforcing rules -nothing more. They should be a team so yes, it was wrong for Calum not to consult anyone. Admins aren't being paid for their jobs, they are not here to slave over the random people who jump on one day and say "HEY, WHERE IS MY FAV MAP GONE??" so that we can instantly look at the Admin who changed it and scream at him to reverse the changes.

There are opinions and there are orders, we are not here to take orders, we are here to listen to opinions and at the end of the day we are the ones making the changes and we are the ones in control -Calum just used his control in a more conspicuous way which did sometimes get out of hand.

Also, here's something else i wanted to bring up. Not everyone on the server speaks english so i'd guess nearly a quarter of our population is silent because of that (the ones you call 'brainless') so how do you expect everyone to understand 'Please turn Netcode off' or 'Do you believe Calum is abusing his position'?
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Re: Poll 6 | Do you believe Calum is abusing his position?

Post by Azarael » Sun 15 Aug , 2010 3:14 am

We are free to do anything we want. Yes, that is factually correct. However, in the current stages of the game, we have to listen excessively to the population because they are all that is left. Better for us is not better for the random noobs, and while we may feel that we hold the higher ground (in that we can defend our position), ultimately, if they want shit, for whatever reasons, shit is what they get, because we cannot afford to do anything else if we want to stay alive.

Hell of a lot of people nowadays understand English. Recent events (i.e. the use of freeze on people not listening to chat) has demonstrated that people CAN speak English, they are simply ignorant.

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Re: Poll 6 | Do you believe Calum is abusing his position?

Post by shadownoon » Sun 15 Aug , 2010 4:51 am

Azarael wrote:We are free to do anything we want. Yes, that is factually correct. However, in the current stages of the game, we have to listen excessively to the population because they are all that is left. Better for us is not better for the random noobs, and while we may feel that we hold the higher ground (in that we can defend our position), ultimately, if they want shit, for whatever reasons, shit is what they get, because we cannot afford to do anything else if we want to stay alive.

Hell of a lot of people nowadays understand English. Recent events (i.e. the use of freeze on people not listening to chat) has demonstrated that people CAN speak English, they are simply ignorant.
Aza, i just feel like the server isn't progressing because all we're doing is being content with what our population wants. Why aren't we atleast attempting things with them and if they outright are against it, reverse it. It should be a constant state of learning by doing. Not doing the same things over and over.

I'm tired of the same people voting for the same things again and again, it almost feels like there are only a handful of maps on the server because only the popular ones are voted regardless of whether or not people like them -populars popularly voted because they are popular.

Remember CnC? Admins hated it, it was a pretty much 50/50 split but we took control and said it is not assault and removed it from the maplist. That was exactly what this is, we know it's for the best and we know it'll benefit people so regardless of what they think, we took control blaming it on 'Sorry but it's just not assault.'. Seems to me like almost every decision we make is tentative if you get what i mean. The things added or removed to/from the server should be fuelled by Admins' decisions and altered/moderated by the populations' opinions, not the other way around because in the current state, decisions are being made at a snail's pace.

An example, the VM vCTF server is outright controlled by the clan Vehicle Masters, every change has nothing to do with the population, the population only give their opinions and are heard. The VM vCTF server is constantly active, it's satisfying to play on, there's always an admin member online, nobody moans about what is voted, nobody moans about admins, nobody says ANYTHING negative because it's constant gameplay. It's true that Admins in this server are more active with their powers but why shouldn't that be what makes the server different? If that server can have the control i'm talking about then why can't this one? We have more players than that server and more admins online daily but still, their server is FULL of people who talk, the complete opposite of these ignorant people we have yet it seems we have less control

Also, if what you're saying is true and people simply choose to be ignorant then why not motivate them to be more sociable? We tell people that if you are banned, the time given is halved if you are active on the forums. So why not be more positive to that? Servers such as >Insert any Trial server here< have custom foot trails for being in the top 5 or 10 in the hiscores, why not do that here? The more active you are on the game/forum, the better foot trail you get -of course, it's purely cosmetic but it'll motivate people to become part of the community. You'll be a newbie to the server, you'll log on and see these custom foot trails and think 'Wow, i want one' and you will SPEAK.

*EDIT* And survival? Was it not you, Aza that said (and i quote) 'NOTHING CAN DENT THE POPULATION OF THIS SERVER. Believe me. I've tried' ?
We are the number 1 server for Assault, let that be a good enough reason to take small risks by doing the unthinkable by actually CHANGING something by our standards, because we are the ones doing the changing. Let the doers do and thinkers think, in that order.
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