30 days saying holocaust, seriously ?

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Re: 30 days saying holocaust, seriously ?

Post by iRobot » Tue 30 Aug , 2016 10:21 pm

Literally the word means destruction or slaughter on a mass scale.

It's a fucking FPS team shooter. There will be holocausts on either side. This time it was a red one.

I used to enjoy creating my own little holocaust on the BW server.

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Re: 30 days saying holocaust, seriously ?

Post by Den » Tue 30 Aug , 2016 10:59 pm

Give him also 30 days

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Re: 30 days saying holocaust, seriously ?

Post by Cryflex » Tue 30 Aug , 2016 11:15 pm

Time to add my two pennies worth...
Izumo wrote:We had a short discussion before issuing the ban. While holocaust as the word is more generic, it's typically tied to Nazis (plus it's predated by dicsussion about Nazism). If other admins think otherwise, please follow our process, thanks.
iRobot wrote:Literally the word means destruction or slaughter on a mass scale.

It's a fucking FPS team shooter. There will be holocausts on either side. This time it was a red one.

I used to enjoy creating my own little holocaust on the BW server.
I actually sent Earl a PM about this ban yesterday after Calypto's "cya" post because it's technically an incorrect ban, but I can understand where the ban has come from. It could easily be taken as a Nazism and in this case Earl saw it as a Nazism.
I see that he was banned for: "it's a red holocaust"

That's technically nothing to do with Nazi's and certainly isn't a Nazism, the word "holocaust" means destruction, slaughter, extermination on a mass scale. It's an ancient greek derivative from the word holocaustos, which was a religious animal sacrifice where pigs were set on fire.

If I fire a redeemer and it kills 8 players for example, I could say "See that holocaust", it means the same as "See that mass domination", "see that mass destruction", "see that mass slaughter"... if someone is owning every time with a dragonfly.

I've always been against LDG's rules around racism, Nazism... etc I still conformed to the rules but by having specific rules about them it's asking for people to break them. Just like with kids, if you trivialise racism and nazism's and ignore them they become meaninless and people won't bother using them. People also need to learn to shrug things off, it's only a word, get over it and then no one is offended.
I also sent:
That's "The Holocaust" or "Nazi Holocaust" not holocaust, see http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/defin ... /holocaust it's derived from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_(sacrifice) or better yet see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holoc ... f_the_term

There are many types of holocausts in terms of genocides; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Holocaust or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Holocaust or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh_Holo ... biguation) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Holocaust.

The most appropriate one would be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_holocaust as Hamish was using the plane to destroy the team with bombs...

There's even a Scottish band, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_(band) or a character in marvel/dc comics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_(comics) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_(DC_Comics).
However, Earl did say:
True, there are many definitions of holocaust, and we bunch them all in the Nazi category. If you ask someone down the street about holocaust, 9 times out of 10 they'll describe the Holocaust. Joking about this is not clever.
Which, I can certainly understand and yes if you ask 10 people, 9 of them will describe the Nazi Holocaust.

Can't you revoke the ban and give him a warning in this instance, to just avoid the use of the word all together? He's had a 24 hour ban, that's a good enough warning?
Successfully defeated Hamish twice with 7 day bans, without even posting even with him having admin "friends".(2016)

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Re: 30 days saying holocaust, seriously ?

Post by Den » Tue 30 Aug , 2016 11:44 pm

Ry is back facepalm

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Re: 30 days saying holocaust, seriously ?

Post by iZumo » Wed 31 Aug , 2016 3:06 am

Azarael wrote:Ban appeals are between the banned player and all administrators. Only post in a ban appeal if you can offer some useful input.
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