Voting on LDG1

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Re: Voting on LDG1

Post by Azarael » Tue 17 Sep , 2013 6:34 pm

I assume what Izumo would then fear:

AS vote -> mass RQ -> bait race vote -> everyone joins again -> back to AS

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Re: Voting on LDG1

Post by Izumo » Tue 17 Sep , 2013 6:43 pm

Well no, AS and RACE voting has it's balance now. There were attempts to solve the situation (by separating AS and RACE etc.) but didn't lead to any result. It's true that RACE community is bigger than AS community and that pretty much AS is penalized in voting for being dependant on RACE (hence the chainvoting penalty). The goal of running race is for the RACE community - AS is in no way seen as priviledged community, this view has been voided a good while ago - it's now even in the rules (see rule 3i).

There are also other aspects to it - an average AS game takes twice as long than an average RACE game. In a nutshell we already observed enough what is going to happen if AS has too much vote and for several month AS vote has been reduced to 0.35 when there was one game of AS played out of last 4 (yeah the RQ ratio was that high).

If there happens to be too little AS, some maps gets a vote boost - but if as you say, AS is on 0.60 when you are on the server, then AS gets played or you try some Chaos / Legowars / Gasoline / Pierons - well a map that is on 0.60 all the time. According to the logs, there ain't very much of AS games in the peak hours in the past days.

As for priviledged voting, that is only for admins and donators that got V.I.P. (+50% vote).

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Re: Voting on LDG1

Post by KvWThomas » Tue 17 Sep , 2013 6:45 pm

There seem to be 3 big catergories of players..
-AS players (most play both gametypes)
-RACE players (who visit regular but prefer race and might RQ)
-newbs (who join for race but come & go and RQ mostly)

The discussion comes down to how much more newbs+RACE mean to the server than AS players.

EDIT: So if I were to become VIP my vote increases to 0.9 which loses to some random visitors 1.0 derby vote. No offense but this package is not for me.
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Re: Voting on LDG1

Post by Izumo » Tue 17 Sep , 2013 6:46 pm

As stated before, all equal.

@EDIT: Yes, if you're gonna vote 0.60 map, then yeah.

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Re: Voting on LDG1

Post by KvWThomas » Tue 17 Sep , 2013 7:44 pm

Izumo, thanks for the clarification of the past and ideas that have been tested. Is there still a chance that the weight could be raised to 0.7 or 0.8, just for this week or so?

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Re: Voting on LDG1

Post by iRobot » Tue 17 Sep , 2013 7:46 pm

We can raise the vote weight to 0.8 no problem.

RACE weight will rise to 1.2 also

trollface

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Re: Voting on LDG1

Post by KvWThomas » Tue 17 Sep , 2013 7:58 pm

iRobot wrote:We can raise the vote weight to 0.8 no problem.

RACE weight will rise to 1.2 also

trollface
Well with your new system 3 AS votes break even with 2 RACE votes and 4 AS votes win against 3 RACE votes so I guess I'm not the one getting trolled

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Re: Voting on LDG1

Post by iRobot » Tue 17 Sep , 2013 8:42 pm

KvWThomas wrote:
iRobot wrote:We can raise the vote weight to 0.8 no problem.

RACE weight will rise to 1.2 also

trollface
Well with your new system 3 AS votes break even with 2 RACE votes and 4 AS votes win against 3 RACE votes so I guess I'm not the one getting trolled

troll2
3 x 1.2 = 3.6
4 x 0.8 = 3.2

RACE-SuperAwesomeNitroMegaFunRace[I2][A][REV] has won!

troll2 troll2

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Re: Voting on LDG1

Post by KvWThomas » Tue 17 Sep , 2013 8:53 pm

iRobot wrote:
KvWThomas wrote:
iRobot wrote:We can raise the vote weight to 0.8 no problem.

RACE weight will rise to 1.2 also

trollface
Well with your new system 3 AS votes break even with 2 RACE votes and 4 AS votes win against 3 RACE votes so I guess I'm not the one getting trolled

troll2
3 x 1.2 = 3.6
4 x 0.8 = 3.2

RACE-SuperAwesomeNitroMegaFunRace[I2][A][REV] has won!

troll2 troll2
Haha woops stand corrected fts

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Re: Voting on LDG1

Post by Izumo » Tue 17 Sep , 2013 8:58 pm

Well, under current math it's

3 x 1.00 = 3.00
4 x 0.60 = 2.40

it's still better for RACE, because 5 x 0.60 is only 3.00 so get's tied
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