Ban for racisme

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Ban for racisme

Post by Skinsuite » Sat 28 Sep , 2013 11:13 am


Azarael wrote:
Skinsuite: a game for what? Niggas dance?!

Additionally:

[2013-07-25 08:08:51] - [INSECURE CLIENT] Skinsuite [ 0af9e3c5dda1d9c382c89761584d640c ] IP: 83.77.231.64 Security ID: 7 using v3369, security state: Secure
[2013-07-25 08:08:51] - Found disallowed prefetch file(s) 'WINJECT.EXE-A50449E5.pf'
[2013-07-25 08:08:51] - Matching default prefetch blacklist wildcard '*winject*-????????.pf'

[2013-07-25 08:07:28] - [INSECURE CLIENT] Skinsuite [ 0af9e3c5dda1d9c382c89761584d640c ] IP: 83.77.231.64 Security ID: 6 using v3369, security state: Secure
[2013-07-25 08:07:28] - Found disallowed prefetch file(s) 'WINJECT.EXE-A50449E5.pf'
[2013-07-25 08:07:28] - Matching default prefetch blacklist wildcard '*winject*-????????.pf'

[2013-07-25 08:06:30] - [INSECURE CLIENT] Skinsuite [ 0af9e3c5dda1d9c382c89761584d640c ] IP: 83.77.231.64 Security ID: 5 using v3369, security state: Secure
[2013-07-25 08:06:30] - Found disallowed prefetch file(s) 'WINJECT.EXE-A50449E5.pf'
[2013-07-25 08:06:30] - Matching default prefetch blacklist wildcard '*winject*-????????.pf'

[2013-07-25 08:04:20] - [INSECURE CLIENT] Skinsuite [ 0af9e3c5dda1d9c382c89761584d640c ] IP: 83.77.231.64 Security ID: 4 using v3369, security state: Secure
[2013-07-25 08:04:20] - Found disallowed prefetch file(s) 'WINJECT.EXE-A50449E5.pf'
[2013-07-25 08:04:20] - Matching default prefetch blacklist wildcard '*winject*-????????.pf'
Hello
You had two reason to ban me, I see.
Let me pleas explain to this two points.

1. Reason racisme

Well we played a Hellbender Race map, where when the map finishs, a song is beeing played. I'm not a native english, so I understood not the hole lyric that were been played. When I googled the song afterwards it was the song "Hey there fancy pants - by ween".
I asked another player what this fancy pants is (thats the one of two part that I understood of the lyrics). One played responsed: Its a game. I was really confused, so i asked," for a niggas dance?" Actually the lyrics says: "Play the songs that make us dance" But it sounded to me like "play the song and niggas dance".
I'm sorry that I said it, but it was really not meant rasistic. I was confused because I meant this server was against rasisme and now there was a map on this server that plays a racisme song. (I hope you understand how I mean it)

2. Reason Winject

Well thats true I used winject for another application, not UT2004 but that was my buissness. And well I deleted it afterwards, because AntiTCC kicked me.
Summary

I've never been rasistic to another player on your server before. That rasistic sentence was realated to the song of the map.
Winject was on my pc. I used it for other applications and a long time ago.

On my point of view this ban is not fair and rash. I complain on Azarael for this ban. If he would have related my "rasistic" question to the conversation earlier he would have seen that It wasn't meant rasistic, and may also that i'm not a native english. And also a 7 Day ban for the first time is anyway to much on my point of view. When I looked to other Ban Appeals the most rasistic were 3 days.

Thank you
Skinsuite

My IP: 83.77.231.64 (Static)

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Re: Ban for racisme

Post by Oska » Sat 28 Sep , 2013 12:49 pm

Skinsuite wrote:
You had two reason to ban me, I see.
Let me pleas explain to this two points.

1. Reason racisme
[...]
Tut tut tut boy. There is no avalable reason for racism.
anyway, did someone put their salami into your mama's underwear or something? - team-spec*Azarael

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Re: Ban for racisme

Post by bOnO » Sat 28 Sep , 2013 2:49 pm

Well he didn't understand the song. It's partly because of the map. If the song says nigga and he was asking what was said, it's obvious he had to say it. Sure, from the raw phrase written here, it can seem obvious that it was racism. But given the context, it's more ambiguous...

Now it's up to Aza.
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All about control, and if you can take it
All about your debt, and if you can payit
Its all about pain and whos gonna make it...

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Re: Ban for racisme

Post by Azarael » Sat 28 Sep , 2013 2:58 pm

Not my fault if you didn't read the rules. It's been declared in the past that your intent when using a racist term does not matter - only that you used it. I'm not really inclined to believe someone who had winject installed, either.

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Re: Ban for racisme

Post by Skinsuite » Sat 28 Sep , 2013 3:05 pm

Skinsuite wrote:

I'm sorry that I said it, but it was really not meant rasistic. I was confused because I meant this server was against rasisme and now there was a map on this server that plays a racisme song. (I hope you understand how I mean it)
Like I said, I rode the rules of the server! And that song confused me. Try to see it from my point pleas.

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Re: Ban for racisme

Post by iZumo » Sat 28 Sep , 2013 4:21 pm

Actually the precendence for such was set in the "whiteboy ban" which was 3 day ban (when it's your first ban) when it's ambiguous whether you're merely stating it or having some intent to use it.

And the winject is a cheating framework which when caught may give you a nice permaban. Also no, you played on LDG before you were kicked using AntiTCC for winject (21/06/2013 16:31:29). So no, back then, there was no winject on your computer, and it suddenly appeared a month later when you were caught. Doesn't look like there is some truth about the winject, when you said: "Winject was on my pc. I used it for other applications and a long time ago.". So anything you would want to add?

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Re: Ban for racisme

Post by Skinsuite » Sat 28 Sep , 2013 5:47 pm

Izumo_CZ wrote:Actually the precendence for such was set in the "whiteboy ban" which was 3 day ban (when it's your first ban) when it's ambiguous whether you're merely stating it or having some intent to use it.

And the winject is a cheating framework which when caught may give you a nice permaban. Also no, you played on LDG before you were kicked using AntiTCC for winject (21/06/2013 16:31:29). So no, back then, there was no winject on your computer, and it suddenly appeared a month later when you were caught. Doesn't look like there is some truth about the winject, when you said: "Winject was on my pc. I used it for other applications and a long time ago.". So anything you would want to add?
Yes you're right about winject. I know what it is, but your theorie is wrong. I used with rome2, stronghold and other games. Also before I bought ut04. I installed also cheatengine, very usefull tool. But i didn't get caught anytime because I didn't used it anytime for ut.
Or are my gaming skill that good? You, Izumo, used to spectate me once, too. You remeber, you opened an "You mad bro"-Picture in my chrome while I had a good game in an assault map with an ion tank? So was I ever under suspicion for cheating? My score says no.
I don't deny I cheat in other games, but is this an valvuable reason for permaban? Shouldn't this be my problem?

Seriously I don't know if I should continue this discussion in my spare free time. If you belive me or not I took into consideration to donate you guys some money for your work to keep those server alive in an dying game.

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Re: Ban for racisme

Post by Oska » Sat 28 Sep , 2013 7:03 pm

"unban me or you won't get money!"

That's sad, in a wider scale it's called corruption.
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Re: Ban for racisme

Post by iRobot » Sat 28 Sep , 2013 7:14 pm

Does AntiTCC scan entire computer? I didn't think so. So my post will assume it doesn't.

He says the cheat wasn't used for UT2004, but then why is it in his UT2004 folder?

Having someone with cheat files is not someone who should be playing here, regardless of they are racist or not.

Saying 'I only cheat in other games' doesn't really fill me with confidence, especially when AntiTCC sees it in your UT2004 folder, or active in system memory/processes.

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Re: Ban for racisme

Post by Azarael » Sat 28 Sep , 2013 8:45 pm

TCC reads the Windows prefetch directory as well - this is where the files were found.

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