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[Coucounet]

I've read what Aza wrote in my ban post and also read all the rules. There's absolutely nothing on warning a player who is about glitching. This was not a conspiracy against admins, at the contrary I was reminding the rules to a player to spare him to be banned. If this was a conspiracy, i would have told him in PM, not on the public channel. Moreover, yesterday, as we were on skyrais, I learned from the players that Calypto or another admin had allowed the players to glitch, and didn't know if this was still allowed or not, that's why i warned illegalname. You admins give contradictory instructions sometimes, hard to follow you. As for the objective thing Aza is talking about, this was not glitching. I wasn't the driver. The driver was a guy i don't remember the name who had jumped from the second obj with me in its car and didn't know where to go, thats why we were on that place when I saw illegalname on my right and warned him not to do that because he could have problems. At last, 7 days ban is what racist guys take for their crimes. I didn't say neither do anything that serious, I just warned someone no to do something wrong, didn't even know that was forgiven (or I wouldn't have say it), and find this punishment disproportionate. I have the feeling that aza thought my words were against him, what of course is not true. Maybe you don't care, but tomorrow i'll be 25 and planed to race with my brother who's living far from me, this ban happens in a really bad moment. Could you be understanding for that time and allow me to join the server. Another time, I didn't even know that preventing a player from glitching was forgiven.

Edit : My IP adress is 89.157.130.113
Dunno whats the GUID...

[Azarael]

As far as I remember, you're a friend of IllegalName and act to a lesser degree like he does. I read your warning as an attempt to save him from getting banned for something (given that I wasn't actually under my own name at the time) rather than any adherence to the principle that glitching ruins the game.

> Happy_coucounet: warning illegal, admins over there

You didn't say "if you glitch, you'll get banned", nor did you say "illegal is glitching" or even "what are you doing illegal, it's obj3 now" which would have been safe, you warned him that an admin was watching him, giving me away. Sounds to me like you're on his side and you're comrades in trying to avoid getting banned for something you'll be more than happy to do the minute an admin is gone. Of course I'm expecting other admins to disagree with this interpretation.

How it works is this: If it's in the rules, admins can and should ban for it. If some admins choose not to enforce the rules as written (which I find irritating) that's up to them.

The context for this is J-Vehicle Race: IllegalName was taking the Obj1-2 path, deliberately, on Obj3, apparently falling down the mountainside at some point. Because of the warning, he ceased attempting whatever he was doing.

[Coucounet]

Again, i wrote this on the public channel. What means I expected you to read this. What I wrote was adressed to both of you. If I wanted to fool you, I would have use the MP. By the way Illegalname is not a friend, just a acquaintance. Of course I was trying to spare him some disappointment, but that wasn't behind your back. I just expected him to see that I had writen this on the public channel, understand you were aware of hi acting, and go back to base. You can't punish me for having prevented you from punish another guy, this is to strange, justice doesn't work like that. Again, I hope you'll be understanding.

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[Coucounet]

I reallized few things reading you post a second time. Actually I don't think illegalname was even trying to glitch to obj 3. It's absolutely impossible to reach the third obj from the first obj path, if you remind vehicle-race. Secondly, you talk about the rules, but there's no rule that forbids to warn a player that he could be banned for what he's doing. Absolutely nothing. Thirdly, this situation reminds me Minority Reports, where people are arrested for crimes they haven't yet comited. You guys are always refering to the real justice. Just imagine the same situation in the real life. A guy is about stealing something in a store. Another guy sees him and says loudly, so that the cop near them can hear, "you shouldn't steal dat thing". Does the cop take the second guy to prison ? No, he's just grateful that this dude a theft, even this guy was also helping a mate not to get trouble.

[Coucounet]

*he's just grateful that this dude prevented* a theft, even if* this guy was also helping a mate not to get trouble.

[Azarael]

Most people by now know that administrators can read teamchat.

To expand upon your analogy, I'm viewing the situation more as a thief and his acquaintance in a store. These people often are in stores together. The acquaintance knows the thief is a thief, and could potentially be a thief himself. Ordinarily, the acquaintance makes no comment upon what the thief does, but one day the thief is preparing to steal, the acquaintance sees a cop and the acquaintance tells the thief "watch out, there's a cop." I wonder what any cop would do in this situation, having overheard this?

The correct response in the case where someone is breaking the rules and there is an admin present is either to draw the admin's attention privately if possible or not comment at all. Since you knew he was being watched by an admin, there was no need for you to do anything except to try to save his ass.

Regardless of the outcome of this ban appeal when other administrators have read this, the ban has been reduced to 1 day.

[iZumo]

With all honesty Aza, wasn't it that you wanted to ban IllegalName (whom you hate) and he just came and averted the of the ban hammer a few seconds before it would strike? Besides, in RACE, people are derping around at wish (including YOU - in a summoned vehicle, me, Bono, Socio is stacking benders in base etc.) ... glitching is when it's clear one is about to make an objective, otherwise it doesn't ruin the game at all.

Also, I'd ban Coucounet on his b-day so he goes and gets some life on that day

[iRobot]

Also, I'd ban Coucounet on his b-day so he goes and gets some life on that day

lol

[bOnO]

I also think you`re overreacting and I kinda agree with Izumo. It`s a good thing to warn someone that is about to do something wrong to prevent him from being banned. But I think you should ban only the guy who glitched, you can`t be sure Coucounet was in league with him or not. As long as nothing wrong has been done, I don`t see a reason for a ban.

[Coucounet]

Thanks for the time ban reducing, that's something at least.

"The acquaintance knows the thief is a thief, and could potentially be a thief himself" ==> to could be potentially a thief itself doesn't lead to prison. Justice doesn't sanction potentialities. Indeed, I glitch sometimes, when it's 3 in the morning and i'm almost alone on the server. In these cases, there's no obj to steal to anyone. During the day, i'm not doing anything that could disrupt the game (nor glitching, nor giant toilet car summoning, nor that kind of things).

Izu, don't worry about my social life, just wanted to check my brother this day .

CU guys