Mass Freon

[iZumo]

So as we know, Freon is the most popular gametype on #3, some stats:

Number of games for gametype (keep in mind that gametypes weren't added at the same type):
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Death Match: 690 Standard + 42 Loadout
Team Death Match: 764 Standard + 172 Loadout
Jailbreak: 411
Capture The Flag: 49
Freon: 3863

Since Freon was not designed to be played with lots of players, so if we want to open more slots (currently 20; and still you're waiting for slot in peak hours). Usually games with high player count always end up in overtime which is I think is something we should reduce. The reason for that is simple - catching all players takes more time, so somebody shall thaw on his own and start thawing nearby teammates (because the last one will try to hide).

Things towards "Mass Freon" already have been implemented:
- thaw protection for 5 seconds or until you shoot whichever is sooner
- anticamp gives damage if you camp in water, regardless of your movement in there
- killing someone gives you ammo to the weapon you killed with
- in OT, thaw rate is reduced by 60 - 70% (both active and passive)
- in OT, you cannot thaw other players for 10 seconds after you have been thawn (flake icon)

Things that could be done:
- in OT, you'll receive additional damage if you don't hit someone in last x seconds (you will be able to see this on HUD)
- your location is revealed if you don't do particular damage in last minute
- if you suicide in OT, you get killed instead of froze
- the "healing grenade" will not work in OT / be disabled completely

[Azarael]

Moved to base subforum, as isn't weapon balance related.

Things that could be done:
- anticamp will also require you to be outside areas with dense fog
Yes
- in OT, you'll receive additional damage if you don't hit someone in last x seconds (relatively short interval)
Could work but would need trial
- you'd die instantly if you don't hit someone in last x seconds (long interval)
Unnecessary if the previous suggestion was implemented
- thawing speed would reflect no. players, more players ingame => slower thawing
On one hand, makes sense. On the other, if thaw rate is too long, players may be disinclined to thaw, which is good for the purposes of a stable game, but bad for teamwork
- recently thawed players would not be able to thaw another players for a certaion period (currently only shielded players can't thaw)
Would require some HUD work to provide a countdown, but a better solution than the previous idea
- killing someone would give you some ammo to the weapon you killed with
I can set "Spawn pickups" on and have Freon spawn ammo packs randomly instead of doing this, but either works

This is kind of a problem really. Freon is clearly very popular with BW, but it's evident that Freon was not intended to work with so many players on the field. If the map size increases, it becomes even more difficult to find players - although I accept that these suggestions would alleviate that issue - and smaller maps are going to be overrun, which may be a reason to add Team ArenaMaster to the server for a more CS-like experience.

[iZumo]

- you'd die instantly if you don't hit someone in last x seconds (long interval)
Unnecessary if the previous suggestion was implemented

This actually was meant to be in effect throughout the whole round and not just OT, if somebody wants to camp on spawn in big maps.

[giZmo]

- you'd die instantly if you don't hit someone in last x seconds (long interval)

Let´s say we are on Goatswood and im taking s sniper weapon cause its a big map and snipers are made for killing people over
a long distance more or less hidden. So im searching for a spot to hide myself and scope a few seconds over my fov. Nobody there.
Going for the next spot.....but stop ! I forgot the "you die if you don´t shoot for x seconds" rule. OMG how much seconds i have left.
Ok i´ll shoot one bullet to buy me some time. Hope noone heard it.....bamm you´ve been killed by (put a name in) with the (pick a weapon)

K, we all hate camping but this is a joke. You can first sort out the sniping weapons if you consider this....
Sorry but a little bit of tactic and strategy has to be....i dont wan´t to run loud screaming with my weapon in my hand
in a group of enemies like a barbarian horde just to prevent dieing without shooting for x seconds.


Sorry, but i have to say that with this new "you die instandly in OT when killed" matches got shorter than before. You could perhaps
deactivate the health grenade and the health combo in OT if possible.

[iZumo]

I'll take it as you don't like that , though it moreless depends on that interval (I was thinking a long one like 2 minutes). And yes matches have become shorter and lost their intensity, that is true. The thing we want to resolve is so the matches ain't like "TDM becoming TAM in OT".

[Azarael]

Death in OT will be replaced by reduced automatic thaw rate in OT.

[giZmo]

Don´t know if you have seen my ingame message today about the new OT settings.

It appears the OT takes much longer than before for example Higlander earlier today....

[Azarael]

It does because the decrease in auto thaw rate isn't working at the moment.

[iZumo]

Probably instead of "you'd die instantly if you don't hit someone in last x seconds (long interval)" a better thing would be "your location gets shown to enemy if you don't deal x dmg last minute" or smth like that?

[Azarael]

Go for it.